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Tech Tidbits: Polar Vantage Updates, Strava sorta removes ads, PowerTap P2 pedals



There’s been a handful of non-headliner tech tidbits this week on the earth of sports activities tech which might be worthwhile mentioning and chatting about. In fact, given that is Friday, the publish size is required to be brief. Apparently individuals have shorter consideration spans on Friday. Or perhaps that’s simply me. Both method, onwards we go.

Polar Vantage Collection Updates Plan:


It’s no secret that the brand new Polar Vantage collection introduced final month landed with a thud. Largely because of the oddly vital variety of options lacking, particularly essential ones. A few of these options have been on lists to be carried out within the coming months, whereas different options weren’t on any record in any respect.  All of those options have been ‘removals’ of options that had been and are in present/predecessor Polar merchandise.  For instance, route navigation was eliminated, as was smartphone notifications, together with timers and the like.

Once more, a few of these have been outlined as future additions for probably early subsequent yr, however one particularly – route navigation – was not discovered on any listing. Whereas one can academically debate whether or not or not they make the most of route navigation, the outcomes from the overwhelming majority of individuals within the feedback sections of any publish, boards, Fb, and toilet stalls all over the world was clear: WTF?

Fortunately, Polar has amended and revealed their longer-range plan of motion to listing out precisely which options they’ll be including going ahead – and route navigation has now made the reduce. Right here’s what else is on the record:

Replace – December 2018:
Polar Vantage V: Stopwatch, countdown timer, and interval timer
Polar Vantage M: Stopwatch, countdown timer, and interval timer

Replace – ‘Early 2019’:
Polar Vantage V: Smartphone notification, again to start out steerage, waypoint navigation for downloaded routes
Polar Vantage M: Smartphone notifications (calls/messages/and so forth…), again to start out steerage

Future Updates – ‘Timing to be confirmed’
System sort not specified: Strava Reside Segments, Health Check, ‘other features to be confirmed’

Observe that each one of those updates all say ‘enhancements to existing features’, however don’t specify what such enhancements they’re.

Once I met with Polar again a month or so in the past previous to launch, I famous that they’d actually need to have a clear-cut plan on tips on how to restore these options. I identified that years in the past with the Suunto Spartan collection when that firm discovered themselves in an identical predicament, that they ended up placing collectively a whole website devoted to how their Spartan collection was going to get a collection of updates. And by and enormous, Suunto hit all these milestones – and often within the timeframes famous. The truth is, they did the identical issues a few years in the past with the Ambit collection too, nicely earlier than Spartan.

In fact, it stays to be seen whether or not or not Polar can hit their timeframes. Traditionally talking that’s been trickier for them to satisfy promised updates/timeframes. And given it’ll be almost 5 years because the Vantage’s predecessor got here out (the V800), I’m not tremendous assured that each one the options will probably be hit in accordance with schedule.

Now each Polar and Suunto have been very specific that they aren’t making an attempt to chase Garmin in options anymore. As an alternative, they’re going to concentrate on the extra hardcore/skilled athlete (at the least when it comes to particular options). However even when Polar isn’t making an attempt to chase Garmin, they must be chasing Suunto. And all the function of the Vantage M unit (the little brother to the V) is to undercut Garmin and problem Suunto on the also-$279 worth level for the Suunto Coach Wrist HR. But Suunto’s providing does navigation, and Polar’s gained’t.

I’m not satisfied that’ll assist promote the Vantage M – particularly when sale season comes alongside for Suunto they usually drop the worth right down to $224 like they have a tendency to do each 2-Four months.

As for my in-depth evaluation of the Vantage collection – later this month. I’ve continued to apply it to runs/rides/swims (together with these previous couple of days openwater swimming). Polar says they’ll begin delivery subsequent week on the 17th of October.  So I’m curious to see how others fare in comparison with my newest tracks. I’ll say although that given the 9 (sure, 9) LEDs they’ve within the optical HR sensor, that the HR accuracy there was on-point thus far.  Extra to return.

Strava Integrations:


At this juncture you’re in all probability making an attempt to determine what the heck ‘Strava Integrations’ means. Right here, I’ll rephrase it for you:

“Zwift and TrainerRoad Ads in Strava.”

See, now that is sensible, proper?

In fact you’ve seen these advertisements – not only for Zwift and TrainerRoad, however different corporations as properly. The SufferFest, Peloton, Mindbody, Wahoo, and as of Monday, Suunto.

Normally the opinion is cut up between:

A) WTF is improper with Strava!?!?
B) Shrug…swipe.

I have a tendency to truly fall nearer to the 2nd class. It actually doesn’t hassle me. And truthfully, if these corporations discover worth in paying Strava for it and get good ‘conversion’ charges, then so be it. You’ll be able to see an instance of an exercise, and what occurs if you click on on it:

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Nevertheless, Strava has heeded a few of the yelling and given us a brand new choice (sorta). Particularly the power to show it off. The most important grievance so far was that for a lot of premium (err… Summit) members, you’re paying for a service solely to be served advertisements. Although, I suppose each Hulu and the New York Occasions subscriptions I additionally pay for do the identical. Nonetheless, the purpose is legitimate.

So Strava now provides the power to disable sure ‘integrations’. You possibly can see this feature down within the settings on the app:

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Alternatively, when you click on on one among your personal actions and the sponsored information, you’ll be able to see the identical choices for that specific firm:

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Besides, there’s some sorta bizarre quirks right here.

Quirk #1: Solely the poster (the individual posting the exercise) can disable the mixing as as to if or not their followers see stated integrations (advertisements). So in my case, it’s me that makes the choice on whether or not you (when you comply with me) see the advertisements. It’s not you. You’ve apparently obtained no management/say over it.  That is weird on so many ranges, and appears to be ill-thought out in two methods. First, is the buyer minded approach. On this state of affairs the shoppers that hate it probably the most nonetheless can’t flip the darn factor off until they bug the individuals they comply with.  However second is the actual kicker: On this state of affairs high-profile accounts which have hundreds of followers (and thus probably the most impactful to each Strava and the related integrations backside strains from an advert standpoint) are making the choices.

So let’s take me. As of this writing, I’ve 11,678 followers on Strava. Hardly an enormous deal within the grand scheme of Strava accounts. In my case, if I flip these integrations off – then these 11,678 gained’t see the integrations for the crapton of providers that I exploit. Not a single individual. But, as I’ve seen prior to now – quite a lot of people are literally fascinated by understanding (and incessantly ask). So on this state of affairs, as a result of I make a fart within the wind selection to show it off, Zwift/TrainerRoad/and so forth loses out on 11,678 alternatives to transform…each…single…day I submit a brand new exercise.

And extra importantly, the individuals who hate the advertisements nonetheless can’t do squat about it. I’m struggling to think about any state of affairs the place both aspect (truly, three sides – Strava, Shoppers, Companions), wins on this case.

Quirk #2: Strava says within the e-mail that integrations technically fall into two classes. Sponsored and non-sponsored. Sponsored are ones the place Strava has entered right into a partnership with the corporate and the corporate will get a hyperlink in your feed out of your exercise off to their website to promote one thing to you. Moreover, they could do issues like screenshots from the app/and so on.

Right here’s how they clarify this bit:

“We’re going to be even more transparent by labeling paid-for integrations as “Sponsored.” We would like you to know which manufacturers have paid for the privilege of displaying up in another way in your feed (and to be clear, immediately’s updates don’t make sponsored integrations kind of more likely to seem in your feed than unsponsored ones).”

Hmm, besides, I’m not clear on one thing right here: Since all of those corporations are already paying for the privilege of doing so (they pay on a per consumer foundation), aren’t all of them sponsored?

They do observe some fascinating issues coming although:

“You’ll soon see some of our partners creating new integrations for their GPS devices. Go for a run or ride with select watches or head units, and your activity might highlight stats that are unique to those devices, or show an upgraded map of where on your route you snatched up a PR.”

And that sounds prefer it might be good. And in principle, in the event that they reverse the best way they deal with the integrations bit in Quirk #1, this may truly be helpful to people. In speaking with various GPS gadget makers concerning the integrations over the previous yr, their fundamental pushback to Strava was that folks have been annoyed they couldn’t flip them off of their feed. A lot in order that they have been getting indignant at these corporations (as we noticed in the direction of Wahoo), considering Wahoo was turning it on when it was extra immediately a Strava function.

So the concept there might be some legit worth for GPS/gadget makers is fascinating.  Sadly, it’s just a little unclear on what these newfangled integrations may seem like past what we’ve at this time. On Monday, Suunto entered into the associate realm with Strava for system integrations – however it’s all kinda same-same there. Nothing fancy that I can see in my testing – akin to Wahoo’s integrations (they solely appear to point out a PR icon on the map for a given phase should you hit one). They’re virtually placeholders by the appears of issues.

In fact – my voice is just one, so I’m curious to see what people assume under within the feedback on the integrations. Love ‘em, hate ‘em, think they should be different – drop a note. While I know Strava is paying attention to these comments, what matters more is that many ‘partner integration’ corporations are additionally paying consideration. And since they pay the payments in that relationship (between them and Strava), voicing your ideas to them issues greater than voicing it to Strava.

PowerTap P2:


Lastly, we’ve acquired a tiny bit of stories I’ll dive into in additional depth within the coming weeks. Since I’ve been in snowy Canada and scorching and steamy Mexico these final two weeks I’ve been with out my bike. However, I did obtain extra energy meters as an alternative – particularly, the PowerTap P2:


Above is a half-unboxing. I discover lodge rooms don’t make nice unboxing venues, so this is sort of a strippers tease of an unboxing. What you actually need is the specs although. Right here’s the way it’s totally different than the PowerTap P1:

Weight: Discount of complete pedal mass, down under 400g now (beforehand was 437g). This discount was achieved principally internally contained in the pedal physique by chopping away inside. Nevertheless, there’s now a small cutout from underneath the skid plate as properly. Externally there’s no seen variations in measurement.

Battery life: The corporate says the models will now get 80 hours of battery life per battery (nonetheless AAA), nevertheless with extra steady-state and longer rides, you might see as much as 100hrs of battery life. They famous that this was accomplished by tweaking a few of the electronics inside to realize again some battery life.

Improved sealing: The corporate says they discovered lots from the PowerTap P1, and particularly had loads of “why are people using it like that” moments when troubleshooting points. They are saying that the brand new unit improves numerous sealing factors greater than earlier than. They did word that the PowerTap P1 did see a number of modifications in-line although through the years (for instance we noticed the brand new battery caps fairly shortly after introduction).

It received a paint job: It’s now silver, which, PowerTap admits is…’polarizing’ (their phrases, not mine). I in all probability would have chosen different phrases, however given nearly all of this publish (outdoors the PowerTap P2 part) is usually ranting, I’m operating low on artistic methods to phrase this one.

So in a nutshell, it misplaced some weight, acquired an exterior makeover, and within the course of, the batteries last more. It doesn’t obtain any new options at this level.


And I feel that’s a little bit of a disappointment. With the Favero Assioma pedals slated to get the brand new ANT+ Biking Dynamics, PowerTap doesn’t seem set to hitch them. I requested about this, they usually (PowerTap) felt that their present cellular app pushed course of was the most effective place for that. Frankly, I can’t consider a worse place for it (besides printing it on a latte). It’s clunky to make use of, doesn’t work properly when driving outside when it comes to individuals’s workflow, and doesn’t translate very simply within the end-state app. Identical to making an attempt to take a latte outside on a motorcycle.

Pricing sensible, the brand new PowerTap P2 will go up in worth to $899, whereas the PowerTap P1 will keep at $799 (and the PowerTap P1S will keep at $529). There’s no speedy PowerTap P2S on the books.  Availability for the PowerTap P2 is slated as November 15th.

Finally, I’m unsure this can assist PowerTap a lot – particularly within the battle towards Favero, but in addition towards Garmin Vector three. Whereas Garmin’s Vector three has had a messy yr, most indicators point out that it’s previous the troubled waters they’ve crossed. And even when it’s not, individuals are nonetheless shopping for a crapton of them – so one thing have to be working.  And with Favero – the story can also be true (besides they’ve obtained no difficulty). In order that they’ve obtained a decrease priced product than PowerTap that’s kind of universally beloved.

I feel individuals have been hoping PowerTap would come into the market with a glossy Vector-like wanting pedal, sans the pods of the Favero Assioma (that some individuals dislike). That might have massively pushed gross sales. Or at the very least launched the P2 on the similar $799 worth level and dropped the P1 down under Assioma’s worth level.

Both method – I’ll nonetheless be throwing them on my bike and seeing how they truthful. Provided that the crappy Netherlands winter climate shall quickly be upon us, I’ll have the ability to see how properly these new strong sealings work.

With that – thanks for studying and benefit from the weekend forward! I’ll be spending an excellent chunk of it in a metallic tube crossing again over the pond to house and an enormous pile of latest trainers to evaluation!

P.S. – In the present day is the final day to order our DCR Biking Kits/Gear – so undoubtedly hit up the web page and decide your shade! Additionally, as we speak will probably be the final day the DCR Open Home/Cave registration is open. It’s nearing capability and admittedly we gained’t have the ability to match any extra individuals in.