Borderline Shooting California News Content mass shooting News Politics Top Stories Breeze Top Stories IVDB Top Stories LADN Top Stories LBPT Top Stories OCR Top Stories PE Top Stories PSN Top Stories RDF Top Stories SGVT Top Stories Sun Top Stories WDN

Why didn’t California’s strict gun laws stop it? – Daily News

Why didn’t California’s strict gun laws stop it? – Daily News

The Wednesday night time capturing bloodbath at a Thousand Oaks nation music bar was the type of tragedy that would appear extra doubtless in states like Nevada or Florida recognized for permissive gun laws that permit military-style semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

Nevertheless it occurred in California, seen as a mannequin for firearm regulation and the one state given an “A” score by the Giffords Regulation Middle to Forestall Gun Violence’s annual gun regulation rating card.

The capturing that took 13 lives, together with the alleged gunman who authorities stated apparently killed himself, instantly sparked debate over the effectiveness of gun laws and whether or not new or totally different laws or enforcement efforts are wanted.

“This can’t be normalized,” Governor-elect Gavin Newsom stated of the shootings at a Thursday morning information convention in San Francisco. “This is America, it’s got to change. This doesn’t happen anywhere else on the planet. The response cannot just be more prayers, more excuses. It sure as hell cannot be more guns.”

  • Associates hug outdoors Los Robles Medical Middle in Hundreds Oaks, California, paying tribute to Ventura Nation Sheriff’s Sgt Ron Helus, killed within the capturing on the Borderline Bar in Hundreds Oaks on November 08, 2018. – The gunman who killed 12 individuals in a crowded California nation music bar has been recognized as 28-year-old Ian David Lengthy, a former Marine, the native sheriff stated Thursday. The suspect, who was armed with a .45-caliber handgun, was discovered deceased on the Borderline Bar and Grill, the scene of the capturing within the metropolis of Thousand Oaks northwest of downtown Los Angeles. (Photograph by Apu Gomes / AFP) (Photograph credit score ought to learn APU GOMES/AFP/Getty Photographs)

  • A gaggle of 10 pray outdoors a Los Robles Regional Medical Middle in Hundreds Oaks following a mass capturing that left 13 lifeless, together with the shooter, on Wednesday, Nov, 7, 2018. (Photograph by Kevin Modesti/LA Daily News/SCNG)

  • Ventura County Sheriff Sgt. Ron Helus, who died after getting into the scene of a mass capturing throughout school night time at a Thousand Oaks nightclub on Wednesday night time, leaves Los Robles Hospital & Medical Middle throughout a procession in his honor on Thursday morning, November eight, 2018. Authorities consider Ian David Lengthy, a 28-year-old veteran, is the shooter and among the many 13 lifeless. (Photograph by Sarah Reingewirtz, Pasadena Star-News/SCNG)

  • Individuals consolation one another as they stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Individuals consolation one another as they sit close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,”. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Individuals consolation one another as they stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with tons of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Individuals hug outdoors the Borderline Bar and Grill, the place a mass capturing occurred on November eight, 2018 in Thousand Oaks, California. At the very least twelve individuals have died, together with a Ventura County Sheriffs Division sergeant, plus the gunman. (OnScene.TV)

  • Jason Coffman shows a photograph of his son Cody outdoors the Hundreds Oaks Teen Middle the place he got here hoping to seek out his son who was on the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, California, on November eight, 2018. – Twelve individuals, together with a police sergeant, have been shot lifeless in a capturing on the bar near Los Angeles, police stated Thursday. All of the victims have been killed contained in the bar within the suburb of Thousand Oaks late on November 7, together with the officer who had been referred to as to the scene, Sheriff Geoff Dean advised reporters. The gunman was additionally lifeless on the scene, Dean added. (Photograph by Frederic J. BROWN/AFP/Getty Pictures)

  • Firefighters, regulation enforcement and members of the general public watch because the hearse carrying the physique of Ventura County Sheriff’s Sergeant Ron Helus, the primary sufferer named within the mass capturing at a rustic bar in Thousand Oaks, California, in transported in a procession November eight, 2018. – The gunman who killed 12 individuals in a crowded California nation music bar has been recognized as 28-year-old Ian David Lengthy, a former Marine, the native sheriff stated Thursday. The suspect, who was armed with a .45-caliber handgun, was discovered deceased on the Borderline Bar and Grill, the scene of the capturing within the metropolis of Thousand Oaks northwest of downtown Los Angeles. (Photograph by Robyn Beck / AFP) (Photograph credit score ought to learn ROBYN BECK/AFP/Getty Photographs)

  • An FBI agent talks to a possible witness as they stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Police escort individuals outdoors the Borderline Bar and Grill, the place a mass capturing occurred on November eight, 2018 in Thousand Oaks, California. At the least twelve individuals have died, together with a Ventura County Sheriffs Division sergeant, plus the gunman. (OnScene.TV)

  • On this picture made out of aerial video, police transfer via the neighborhood of a capturing in Thousand Oaks, California, early Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018. Authorities say there have been a number of accidents – together with one officer – after a person opened hearth in Southern California bar late Wednesday. (KABC by way of AP)

  • Police safe the Borderline Bar and Grill, the place a mass capturing occurred on November eight, 2018 in Thousand Oaks, California. 13 individuals have died, together with a Ventura County Sheriffs Division sergeant and the gunman. (OnScene.TV)

  • On this picture created from aerial video, police automobiles line a street within the neighborhood of a capturing in Thousand Oaks, California, early Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018. Authorities say there have been a number of accidents _ together with one officer _ after a person opened hearth in Southern California bar late Wednesday. (KABC by way of AP)

  • An FBI agent talks to a possible witness as they stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with lots of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • This picture created from aerial video present officers round a Police SUV within the neighborhood of a capturing in Thousand Oaks, California, early Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018. Authorities say there have been a number of accidents – together with one officer – after a person opened hearth in Southern California bar late Wednesday. (KABC by way of AP)

  • Jason Coffman (C) speaks to the press as he searches for his son Cody who was on the Borderline Bar and Grill, in Thousand Oaks, California, on November eight, 2018. – Twelve individuals, together with a police sergeant, have been shot lifeless in a capturing on the bar near Los Angeles, police stated Thursday. All of the victims have been killed contained in the bar within the suburb of Thousand Oaks late on November 7, together with the officer who had been referred to as to the scene, Sheriff Geoff Dean advised reporters. The gunman was additionally lifeless on the scene, Dean added. (Photograph by Frederic J. BROWN/AFP/Getty Photographs)

  • Individuals stroll away from the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean identifies Ian Lengthy on the shooter on the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, CA. 13 individuals together with a sheriff deputy and the shooter have been killed in a mass capturing on the bar in a single day. (Photograph by David Crane, Los Angeles Daily News/SCNG)

  • Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean identifies Ian Lengthy on the shooter on the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, CA. 13 individuals together with a sheriff deputy and the shooter have been killed in a mass capturing on the bar in a single day. (Photograph by David Crane, Los Angeles Daily News/SCNG)

  • Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean identifies Ian Lengthy on the shooter on the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, CA. 13 individuals together with a sheriff deputy and the shooter have been killed in a mass capturing on the bar in a single day. (Photograph by David Crane, Los Angeles Daily News/SCNG)

  • Native resident Sarah Silikula breaks down close to the scene outdoors of the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, CA the place 13 individuals together with a sheriff deputy and the shooter have been killed in a mass capturing late Wednesday night time. Silikula’s daughter had a good friend who was on the bar on the time of the capturing, Silikula’s daughter determined to not go. (Photograph by David Crane, Los Angeles Daily News/SCNG)

  • Google picture of house in 800 block of Fowler Ave in Newbury Park.

  • A forensics workforce works the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with lots of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • A forensics workforce will get prepared work the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with lots of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • A forensics workforce works the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • FBI brokers work the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with lots of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • On this picture taken from video a sufferer is carried from the scene of a capturing, Wednesday night, Nov. 7, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. A hooded gunman dressed totally in black opened hearth on a crowd at a rustic dance bar holding a weekly “college night” in Southern California, killing a number of individuals and sending lots of fleeing together with some who used barstools to interrupt home windows and escape, authorities stated Thursday. The gunman was later discovered lifeless on the scene. (RMG News by way of AP)

  • A forensics group works the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with lots of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Cops stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with tons of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • On this picture taken from video cops and FBI brokers run on the scene of a capturing, early Thursday morning, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. A hooded gunman dressed completely in black opened hearth on a crowd at a rustic dance bar holding a weekly “college night” in Southern California, killing a number of individuals and sending a whole lot fleeing together with some who used barstools to interrupt home windows and escape, authorities stated Thursday. The gunman was later discovered lifeless on the scene. (RMG News by way of AP)

  • An FBI agent works the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with tons of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • On this picture taken from video a sufferer is handled close to the scene of a capturing, Wednesday night, Nov. 7, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. A hooded gunman dressed totally in black opened hearth on a crowd at a rustic dance bar holding a weekly “college night” in Southern California, killing a number of individuals and sending a whole lot fleeing together with some who used barstools to interrupt home windows and escape, authorities stated Thursday. The gunman was later discovered lifeless on the scene. (RMG News by way of AP)

  • On this picture taken from video a sufferer is handled close to the scene of a capturing, Wednesday night, Nov. 7, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. A hooded gunman dressed totally in black opened hearth on a crowd at a rustic dance bar holding a weekly “college night” in Southern California, killing a number of individuals and sending tons of fleeing together with some who used barstools to interrupt home windows and escape, authorities stated Thursday. The gunman was later discovered lifeless on the scene. (RMG News by way of AP)

  • On this picture taken from video a sufferer is handled close to the scene of a capturing, Wednesday night, Nov. 7, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. A hooded gunman dressed completely in black opened hearth on a crowd at a rustic dance bar holding a weekly “college night” in Southern California, killing a number of individuals and sending tons of fleeing together with some who used barstools to interrupt home windows and escape, authorities stated Thursday. The gunman was later discovered lifeless on the scene. (RMG News by way of AP)

  • Sheriff’s deputies converse to a possible witnesses as they stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Sheriff’s deputy speaks to a possible witness as they stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with tons of of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Sheriff’s deputies converse to a possible witness as they stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Individuals consolation one another as they stand close to the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

  • Individuals stroll away from the scene Thursday, Nov. eight, 2018, in Thousand Oaks, Calif. the place a gunman opened hearth Wednesday inside a rustic dance bar crowded with a whole lot of individuals on “college night,” wounding 11 individuals together with a deputy who rushed to the scene. Ventura County sheriff’s spokesman says gunman is lifeless contained in the bar. (AP Photograph/Mark J. Terrill)

However gun-rights advocates stated Thursday that the capturing exhibits human conduct, not weapons, is the issue.

“Gun control proponents like Gavin Newsom are irrationally committed to passing more and more laws that just don’t prevent violent people from doing evil things,” stated Brandon Combs, president of the Firearms Coverage Coalition. “He and other anti-gun advocates are the embodiment of insanity, doing the same things over and over again while expecting different results.”

In some ways, Wednesday night time’s capturing appeared like one thing California regulation would have hindered.

This 2017 photograph from the California Division of Motor Automobiles exhibits Ian David Lengthy. Authorities stated the Marine fight veteran opened hearth Wednesday night, Nov. 7, 2018, at a rustic music bar in Thousand Oaks, killing a number of individuals earlier than apparently taking his personal life. (California Division of Motor Automobiles by way of AP)

The alleged gunman, recognized as a 28-year-old U.S. Marine Corps veteran, was armed with a legally bought Glock .45-caliber handgun modified with what regulation enforcement officers referred to as an “extended magazine” that holds further rounds of ammunition. The gun’s normal journal would maintain 13 rounds, and an prolonged journal would maintain extra. California regulation limits magazines to a 10-round capability, however that regulation is on maintain on account of a authorized problem from gun-rights advocates.

California in 2014 additionally turned the primary state to enact a Gun Violence Restraining Order regulation permitting involved relations to petition a courtroom to briefly take away firearms from a relative who’s discovered to pose a transparent hazard to the general public or their very own security throughout a psychological disaster.

However there was no indication such an intervention was sought on this case — despite the fact that the Thousand Oaks gunman had a historical past of psychological well being issues that had led to visits from regulation enforcement. Neighbors stated that the gunman suffered from post-traumatic stress dysfunction.

After a neighbor reported loud noises coming from the shooter’s home in April, deputies responded and located a person “acting a little irrationally.” They referred to as a psychological well being specialist who assessed him however concluded he couldn’t be involuntarily dedicated for psychiatric statement.

A neighbor informed CNN that the gunman’s mom “lived in fear” of what her son may do and that when police have been referred to as to the home earlier this yr “it took them about a half a day to get him out of the house.”

The neighbor, Richard Berge, stated the shooter’s mom informed him that whereas she didn’t worry for her personal security, she was involved about her son and “kind of beside herself, she didn’t know what to do because he wouldn’t get help.”

Garen J. Wintemute, an emergency drugs doctor at UC Davis Medical Middle and director of the Violence Prevention Analysis Program, stated there was nothing within the gunman’s report that might have prevented him from arming himself.

“He wasn’t a prohibited person, and the ban on possession of high-capacity magazines is tied up in court,” Wintemute stated. However he added that a Gun Violence Restraining Order “would have been useful and might have come into play in April.”

Wednesday’s tragedy was the deadliest U.S. mass capturing since Feb. 14 when an expelled 19-year-old scholar allegedly killed 17 classmates and school at his former highschool in Parkland, Florida, a Valentine’s Day bloodbath that renewed the nationwide debate over gun laws.

And it adopted a string of different mass shootings across the nation, together with a gunman who massacred 11 individuals at a Pittsburgh synagogue final month.

California has lengthy been a pacesetter in enacting gun restrictions impressed by tragedies, together with the 1989 capturing of 5 schoolchildren at a Stockton elementary faculty and the 1993 capturing of eight individuals at a San Francisco regulation workplace. These mass shootings led the state to ban military-style semiautomatic “assault weapons,” in addition to a U.S. ban that was allowed to run out in 2004 after a federal research discovered inconclusive proof of its effectiveness.

Along with the bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and the gun violence restraining orders, California gun laws embrace, a 10-day ready interval on gun purchases and requiring consumers to acquire a security certificates after passing a written check.

Others laws require background checks on gun consumers, restrict handgun purchases to at least one a month, licensing all gun sellers, requiring data of all firearm gross sales, banning cheap “Saturday night special” handguns as unsafe, and permitting native authorities to disclaim a hid carry allow. Ammunition have to be purchased from a licensed supplier.

California has a one-of-a-kind Armed and Prohibited Individuals System, developed in 1999 and up to date in 2006, that’s designed to maintain weapons out of the palms of convicted criminals and the mentally sick. It mechanically tracks firearm house owners and disarms convicted criminals, individuals with sure psychological sicknesses, and others deemed harmful.

Gov. Jerry Brown signed various new gun laws this yr, together with one elevating the age to legally purchase rifles from 18 to 21, the identical age the state requires for handgun purchases.

Advocates say the thicket of firearm laws has helped — California ranks 43rd out of the 50 states in gun deaths per capita, in line with the Giffords Regulation Middle to Forestall Gun Violence.

Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean identifies Ian Lengthy on the shooter on the Borderline Bar & Grill in Thousand Oaks, CA. 13 individuals together with a sheriff deputy and the shooter have been killed in a mass capturing on the bar in a single day. (Photograph by David Crane, Los Angeles Daily News/SCNG)

Even so, California continues to see its share of mass shootings. In March, a former soldier fatally shot three psychological well being staff with a rifle at a veterans house in Yountville earlier than taking his personal life. In November 2017, a deranged man with a historical past of legal violence and barred from proudly owning weapons fatally shot 5 individuals in Tehama County with an assault rifle earlier than being killed by police.

And in December 2015, a married couple armed with military-style assault rifles and semiautomatic pistols fatally shot 14 individuals in a terrorist assault at a San Bernardino County vacation get together earlier than being killed by police.

The San Bernardino couple, impressed by the Islamic State, obtained the rifles from a pal who purchased them legally on the time in California. The Tehama County gunman used a home-made “ghost gun” constructed from elements that may be legally bought.

U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who has made a profession out of pushing for tighter gun restrictions, stated Thursday that the nation’s spate of mass shootings have one factor in widespread, “easy access to guns.”

“Some will say California’s strong gun laws didn’t prevent this shooting,” Feinstein stated in a press release. “But without stronger federal gun regulations, there’s little California can do to keep guns coming in from other states.”

The Thousand Oaks gunman, nevertheless, used a standard semiautomatic pistol that authorities stated he purchased legally in Ventura. It was unclear the place or how he received the prolonged journal, which Ventura County Sheriff Geoff Dean referred to as unlawful. The sheriff misplaced one among his personal deputies within the capturing, compounding the tragedy that fell on Dean’s final week on the job earlier than he retires after 40 years.

“It can’t be any worse,” the sheriff stated.

Employees Author Casey Tolan, CNN and the Related Press contributed to this report.